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Topic: Dan Hardy on Welterweight matchups, GSP and the next contender
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mpmann.mma UFC welterweight contender Dan Hardy (23-7 MMA, 4-1) remembers a time not that long ago when he was a little-known British import without much of a reputation. But after five UFC fights and a failed title bid against current champion Georges St-Pierre, "The Outlaw" says it still feels strange to be picked out of a crowd – even at Disneyland. "I was standing in line at the Star Wars ride, and there were these two guys dressed as Storm Troopers," Hardy said at a UFC Fan Club Q&A session. "One of them turns around and points at me and looks at his friend. I was like, 'This is weird. The Storm Troopers are recognizing me.'" Hardy was riding a wave of popularity entering his March matchup with the champ, but just as St-Pierre has done so many times before, "Rush" sent the Brit home scratching his head. At 28 years old, Hardy now says the fight was a real learning experience, and he believes he understands exactly what it will take to one day become a champion. "I've been in there with the best now," Hardy said. "I've been in there with 'GSP.' I know what he can do; I know what he's good at, and he also highlighted a lot of things in my game that I need to work on – things that I knew about before, but obviously getting taken down for 25 minutes and beaten reinforced it. "I know what I need to work on, and I'm back in the gym already working on it." Hardy is expected to fight at the as-yet-unannounced UFC 120 event expected to take place Oct. 16 at The 02 in London, England. the British slugger wasn't free to discuss the particulars of his next matchup, though he did admit the possibility of a Caros Condit bout is intriguing. "I can't say the name on the contract yet, I don't think," Hardy said. "The speculation is Carlos Condit, and if that comes to be, then that would be an awesome fight. I used to watch Carlos when he used to fight in the WEC. He's a real exciting fighter, and he comes to brawl. That's what I'm all about. I hope it is him. "He doesn't go to a decision very often. He likes to come finish fights. He's got good submissions and good striking, and he doesn't mind mixing it up and taking a few shots. If that fight comes off, I'll be really looking for it." Another name that could be on the horizon in the near future for Hardy is Danish striker Martin Kampmann. "Hitman" has openly lobbied for the matchup, and the styles of both fighters would seem likely to combine for an enticing battle. Hardy said he considers Kampmann a friend, but that doesn't mean he's opposed to the idea of a fight. "Kampmann looked awesome his last fight," Hardy said. "I was there, and I watched that live. I was very impressed. I didn't think he was going to be able to control Paulo Thaigo as well as he did. "I have trained with Martin a lot. He's a good friend of mine, and he's a very, very talented fighter. If I ever fight him, I think it would be great fun. I've got a lot of respect for him, and I think it would be a great fight." While the Condit and Kampmann matchups each appear beneficial to Hardy based on stylistic opportunities, there's another fight that appeals to the Brit for an entirely different reason. Hardy said he looks forward to the day he can fight current "The Ultimate Fighter 12" coach and title contender Josh Koscheck. "I just have different values than Josh Koscheck," Hardy said. "No faking eyepokes or knees to the head. I don't bitch and moan. You've got to understand – I just beat Mike Swick a week before to get my title shot. I went to UFC 106 feeling good about myself and having a great time. I sat right beside the octagon, and as soon as Josh Koscheck won his fight, he called me out. I wanted to kick him in his teeth right then, but I couldn't. "I've kind of stored this inside of me. I sound like I'm a little bitter, but I do have good reasons." Of course, circumstances could change drastically between now and a future matchup with Koscheck as "The Ultimate Fighter 1" veteran has a December title fight on the horizon. So what does Hardy expect from Koscheck's clash with St-Pierre? "I've been asked this question a lot because I fought 'GSP' and I don't like Koscheck," Hardy said. "It could go one of two ways because the last time they fought, Koscheck assumed nobody would be able to take him down and he wasn't working his wrestling. Now he realizes that he can be taken down by other fighters, so he's going to back to his wrestling. I can see him stuffing some of 'GSP's' takedowns, which means he might be able to force him into a standup fight. Then it's anybody's fight. "It's either going to be a standup fight and someone's getting knocked out, or we're going to see 25 minutes of spooning." So for now, Hardy likely has his hands full with a former WEC champion, but that doesn't mean he's not considering what comes next. Hardy's ultimate goal is of course to get another crack at the belt. When that comes, he insists he'll be ready. "Obviously my next fight, if that's against Carlos Condit, that would be a great fight and a great win for me," Hardy said. "Then if I could get two more wins after that, then that would put be back in line for a title shot. But I've got work to do before I'm worthy of holding the belt. "If Koscheck takes the fight from 'GSP,' then that would be a great fight for me. Not only beating Koscheck but taking the belt from him would be amazing."
Spooning... [snort!]
Si --- Dan Hardy on GSP Vs Koscheck: "It's either going to be a standup fight and someone's getting knocked out, or we're going to see 25 minutes of spooning."
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Re: Dan Hardy on Welterweight matchups, GSP and the next contender
Honest guy, always scores points with me; how come nobody likes Koscheck? . I think either of those fights would be great to the 170lbs division. Although I felt before Hardy's title shot that he should have had to fight Fitch or Kos or Alvez, I don't think it was fair to Fitch. He could have put the exact same beating on Hardy that GSP did, the exact same way; and then at least Hardy wouldn't have gotten a title shot. I think any 3 of those 5 fighters mentioned should be mandatory fights for hardy before getting another title shot (Fitch, Alvez, Koscheck, Condit and Kampmann). Spooning, , I know what he is saying there, although its not the most entertaining of fights; staying busy enough to not get stood up is necessary and its still getting your ass kicked.
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Re: Dan Hardy on Welterweight matchups, GSP and the next contender
lol @ spooning.
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lamb, not everyone dislikes Kos. Most people dislike Kos, me included. It all depends on your morals I guess. Kos is a good fighter, but an arrogant, self centered prick that has shown Jamie Varner tendencies. (opens can)
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Zacchaeus wrote:lamb, not everyone dislikes Kos. Most people dislike Kos, me included. It all depends on your morals I guess. Kos is a good fighter, but an arrogant, self centered prick that has shown Jamie Varner tendencies. (opens can)
I totally agree, it was more of a question I knew the answer too while laughing to myself. He definitely doesn't do himself any favors with fans or the UFC usually. I would say its safe to assume the only people that like him a from Pennsylvania as thats where hes from. Kinda like Flyer type fans in hockey you know. To get this thread back off Koscheck. I want to see Dan Hardy fight at least 3 of the 5 fighters I mentioned in my previous post before getting another title shot. (Fitch, Alvez, Koschek, Condit, Kampmann and lets add Jake Shields to that mix and call it 4 of 6) 
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Re: Dan Hardy on Welterweight matchups, GSP and the next contender
hardy vs condit kampmann vs fitch alvez vs thiago gsp vs kos swick vs hathaway love the ww divi
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Re: Dan Hardy on Welterweight matchups, GSP and the next contender
lambhimself wrote:Zacchaeus wrote:lamb, not everyone dislikes Kos. Most people dislike Kos, me included. It all depends on your morals I guess. Kos is a good fighter, but an arrogant, self centered prick that has shown Jamie Varner tendencies. (opens can)
I totally agree, it was more of a question I knew the answer too while laughing to myself. He definitely doesn't do himself any favors with fans or the UFC usually. I would say its safe to assume the only people that like him a from Pennsylvania as thats where hes from. Kinda like Flyer type fans in hockey you know. To get this thread back off Koscheck. I want to see Dan Hardy fight at least 3 of the 5 fighters I mentioned in my previous post before getting another title shot. (Fitch, Alvez, Koschek, Condit, Kampmann and lets add Jake Shields to that mix and call it 4 of 6) 
Those fights would be interesting.
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Re: Dan Hardy on Welterweight matchups, GSP and the next contender
Kos would own Hardy.....Kos without any question deserved a title shot before Hardy as well.....and what rubs Hardy wrong (and I like Hardy by the way) is that he knows that is the truth.... That Kos deserved the title shot more than he did....and Kos called him out on it.....(and he really couldn't defend himself when being intellectually honest on if he deserved the shot before Kos)......So Kos calling him out, publically just pissed him off...
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meade95 wrote:Kos would own Hardy.....Kos without any question deserved a title shot before Hardy as well.....and what rubs Hardy wrong (and I like Hardy by the way) is that he knows that is the truth.... That Kos deserved the title shot more than he did....and Kos called him out on it.....(and he really couldn't defend himself when being intellectually honest on if he deserved the shot before Kos)......So Kos calling him out, publically just pissed him off...
I agree with this being the reason he got so emotional about "the calling out". I think we found the Kos fan on the forums its meade95, just jokes. As I stated in an earlier post on this topic I felt that Hardy should have had to fight at least Fitch to get that title shot, or as you said Kos. The thing is Fitch or Kos could have put the wrestling beat down on Hardy that GSP did, although may not so dominantly as GSP did. Can't wait to see who Hardy's next couple fights are against.
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Did Kos really deserve a title shot that much more? Didn't he only have like 1 or 2 wins after losing to Thiago, and Hardy was like 4-0 UFC?
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meade95 wrote:Kos would own Hardy.....Kos without any question deserved a title shot before Hardy as well.....and what rubs Hardy wrong (and I like Hardy by the way) is that he knows that is the truth.... That Kos deserved the title shot more than he did....and Kos called him out on it.....(and he really couldn't defend himself when being intellectually honest on if he deserved the shot before Kos)......So Kos calling him out, publically just pissed him off...
Well what was he supposed to do? Go to Dana and tell him that Kos deserves it more, so in that case he is gonna relinquish his own title shot? Not likely. Let's be realistic. Were there more desrving fighters than Hardy at the time? Yes. But Hardy fucked up the plans by beating Swick. Here's what probably happened; Fitch and Koscheck had each already lost to GSP, Alves then lost to him as well. There weren't a whole lot of options left at the time (Paulo Thiago was still too green and lost to Fitch, Fitch and Koscheck refused to fight each other, and there was really nobody else that was an obvious contender), so being that Hardy and Swick were both hot and coming off of pretty good wins, Dana decides that the winner gets a shot. I don't think a lot of people actually thought that Hardy was gonna beat Swick, because Swick has really fast hands and pretty good power, and we hadn't really seen Dan Hardy try to take anybody down. Swick also had an established name in the UFC, so he was the best option. Then Hardy goes on to win the fight easily and becomes the next contender, and suddenly the Koscheck fans (all 3 of them) are screaming outrage. I bet that if Swick beat Hardy and got a title shot, nobody would have said shit. We would probably all have agreed that he would have lost, but nobody would be pissed that he got the title shot.
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FuriousG wrote:Did Kos really deserve a title shot that much more? Didn't he only have like 1 or 2 wins after losing to Thiago, and Hardy was like 4-0 UFC?
I myself was by no means saying he deserved a title shot, just stating Hardy should have had to fight some tougher competition before fighting for the WW title. Koscheck had 2 wins at the time Hardy faced GSP, and they were respectable opponents (Frank Trigg + Anthony Johnson) I'd say Johnson being the only credible top 10 WW at the time. I honestly don't think Kos has fought enough top competition himself to deserve the title shot with GSP. Although Paul "suckerpunch" Daley was on a roll before losing to kos, Fitch could have given him that same loss. Plus Kos not fighting his AKA teammates kinda makes it hard for him to fight top 10 guys. Hardy didn't beat many top 10 WW before getting his title shot IMO. PS-Was it mentioned that Dan Hardy is facing Carlos Condit at UFC120 barring injury.
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Re: Dan Hardy on Welterweight matchups, GSP and the next contender
lambhimself wrote:FuriousG wrote:Did Kos really deserve a title shot that much more? Didn't he only have like 1 or 2 wins after losing to Thiago, and Hardy was like 4-0 UFC?
I myself was by no means saying he deserved a title shot, just stating Hardy should have had to fight some tougher competition before fighting for the WW title. Koscheck had 2 wins at the time Hardy faced GSP, and they were respectable opponents (Frank Trigg + Anthony Johnson) I'd say Johnson being the only credible top 10 WW at the time. I honestly don't think Kos has fought enough top competition himself to deserve the title shot with GSP. Although Paul "suckerpunch" Daley was on a roll before losing to kos, Fitch could have given him that same loss. Plus Kos not fighting his AKA teammates kinda makes it hard for him to fight top 10 guys. Hardy didn't beat many top 10 WW before getting his title shot IMO. PS-Was it mentioned that Dan Hardy is facing Carlos Condit at UFC120 barring injury.
one thing you have to say is hardy is tough as nails no doubt. I hope he takes this fight.
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FuriousG wrote:Did Kos really deserve a title shot that much more? Didn't he only have like 1 or 2 wins after losing to Thiago, and Hardy was like 4-0 UFC?
Yeah, I still say he clearly deserved the title fight more so than Hardy.....since losing to GSP (in a close fight). He went 5-2 Vs top notch guys. Losing to Thaigo (maybe stopped early)..and Alves (took on very short notice) and lost a relatively close Dec. He beat Dustin Hazelet, C. Lytle, Yoshida, Trigg (gimmie fight) and Anthony Johnson.... And before that...he won 5 straight UFC fights prior to his Dec Loss to GSP...(in which he beat GSP one of those rounds....I think the last person to win a Round Vs GSP if I'm not mistaken)...
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One judge score that fight 30 - 27 for GSP, and the other 2 scored it 29 - 28 GSP; so saying he won a round is plausible yes, but doubtful in my mind. GSP dominated the fight up and down. It was a 30 - 27 fight, the 1st round was the only one wear each fighter scored takedowns (1 each), gsp won the rest, see for yourself: http://www.mma-core.com/videos/_Georges
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lambhimself wrote:PS-Was it mentioned that Dan Hardy is facing Carlos Condit at UFC120 barring injury.
I got a little tear in my eye when I saw the news. I will be drunk as snot screaming at the screen to the top of my lungs during this fight. This is an important fight for Condit and I know he can pull off a win against a fighter like Hardy. It will be a nail biter for me. I still believe that Condit can pull things together and eventually get his shot at the WW title. Hardy being his next opponent is a huge step in the right direction, if he can pull it off.
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Zacchaeus wrote:lambhimself wrote:PS-Was it mentioned that Dan Hardy is facing Carlos Condit at UFC120 barring injury.
I got a little tear in my eye when I saw the news. I will be drunk as snot screaming at the screen to the top of my lungs during this fight. This is an important fight for Condit and I know he can pull off a win against a fighter like Hardy. It will be a nail biter for me. I still believe that Condit can pull things together and eventually get his shot at the WW title. Hardy being his next opponent is a huge step in the right direction, if he can pull it off.
I actually kinda sorta maybe got a semi erection when I heard about this fight. Both these guys put on a great fight each and every time they enter the Octagon, and this should be an instant classic. They both love to stand and trade, and can both hold their own on the ground if it goes there. Slight edge to Condit on the ground, and a slight edge to Hardy in power. Should be an awesome fight. Two of my favorites, so I'm not sure who to root for. 
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Triggerman99 wrote: so I'm not sure who to root for. 
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I don't get it. What are you trying to say? Is someone standing to my left? OK wait, England is where Hardy is from, and that's east, which is left if I am facing south, but I am currently facing north, so.....wait, where's Condit from? I'm confused. You gotta be more specific.
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