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Topic: Dana: “I’m no Josh Koscheck fan,”
“I’m no Josh Koscheck fan. Personally, I think he’s [expletive]. We actually don’t get along very well. I like Paul Daley a lot, but what he did was inexcusable. He walked over to Koscheck and Koscheck could have thought he was coming over to shake hands or congratulate him and he took a cheap shot at him like that. If you throw a sucker punch like that after a fight in the UFC, I don’t care who you are, you’re done. He’ll never fight for us again.” From Yahoo Sports
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Re: Dana: “I’m no Josh Koscheck fan,”
Ewwww!! I agree with Dana. Koscheck doesn't do himself any favors in the PR department. But then again he doesn't have to, he just has to win fights. I don't like Daley either. I do however like Dana White; always have and always will. He doesn't BS you, he tells you exactly how he feels and usually has pretty good reasons for feeling the way he does. Like with the Strikeforce thing, people were calling him a hypocrite for not taking action against Nate Diaz but still acting against Paul Daley, but to hear him explain it in the article, his stance makes perfect sense, not that he should have been questioned in the first place, IMO.
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Re: Dana: “I’m no Josh Koscheck fan,”
I don't care who Dana likes. I'm a fan and I like Kos, and I'll buy PPV's if he's on one. Kos makes a perfect heel because, unlike Lesnar IMO, Kos actually IS a douche. Lesnar plays douche in the cage but outside of it you can tell he's just a normal rednecky type dude who wants to be left alone to live his life. Kos on the other hand will let you know that he's Kos, and he'll let you know that as he drives past your house in his murdered out H2. A douchier Douchemobile there has never been. Keep Kos around, Dana.
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Re: Dana: “I’m no Josh Koscheck fan,”

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Re: Dana: “I’m no Josh Koscheck fan,”
I do remember hearing they had some bad blood about signing KOS or something to do with money. I remember Dana saying he isn't fun to deal with. Well, some people are just assholes and maybe, KOS, really is.... /shrugs. I still enjoy him fighting. He's always entertaining and never puts on a dull show.
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Re: Dana: “I’m no Josh Koscheck fan,”
Hey, looks like me and Dana actually do have something in common. It has nothing to do with Daley either.
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Re: Dana: “I’m no Josh Koscheck fan,”
Triggerman99 wrote:Ewwww!! I agree with Dana. Koscheck doesn't do himself any favors in the PR department. But then again he doesn't have to, he just has to win fights. I don't like Daley either.
I disagree, playing the heel can be just as good if not better PR than playing the hero. I really don't care much for Kos both from an MMA standpoint or a personal standpoint. However, my wife hates him with a fucking red hot passion because of his over duchyness so we pay for every card for the sole reason that she wants to see him get his ass kicked (she even cheered when Daley took the cheep shot). As long as people are rooting (either for or against) you'll generate PPV buys.
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Re: Dana: “I’m no Josh Koscheck fan,”
Grey Suit wrote:Triggerman99 wrote:Ewwww!! I agree with Dana. Koscheck doesn't do himself any favors in the PR department. But then again he doesn't have to, he just has to win fights. I don't like Daley either.
I disagree, playing the heel can be just as good if not better PR than playing the hero. I really don't care much for Kos both from an MMA standpoint or a personal standpoint. However, my wife hates him with a fucking red hot passion because of his over duchyness so we pay for every card for the sole reason that she wants to see him get his ass kicked (she even cheered when Daley took the cheep shot). As long as people are rooting (either for or against) you'll generate PPV buys.
I actually agree with you completely. That's not really what I meant. I just meant that if he is expecting to gain any fans, he is not doing himself any favors. I think he is doing the "bad guy" thing splendidly, and it will mix perfectly with GSP and his squeaky clean persona.
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Re: Dana: “I’m no Josh Koscheck fan,”
About the strikeforce thing, I agree that Mayhem shouldn't have been in the cage in the first place, but it's kind of a stretch for Dana to say Miller was the one who started the fight. He's constantly using that as the justification for what happend, and for why Nate is innocent. *shrugs* Kos is a great asshole/heel, but first the "phantom eye poke", then the knee in this fight, and now he's complaining about Daley greasing up. He does seem to like to bitch alot. 
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Re: Dana: “I’m no Josh Koscheck fan,”
The Diplomat wrote:About the strikeforce thing, I agree that Mayhem shouldn't have been in the cage in the first place, but it's kind of a stretch for Dana to say Miller was the one who started the fight. He's constantly using that as the justification for what happend, and for why Nate is innocent. *shrugs*
That's sort of what he said, but he did clarify afterward: Dana White wrote:But the thing with Jake Shields happened because someone wasn’t in control of the cage and let Mayhem in where he didn’t belong. That caused everything else.”
He's more blaming SF for not having control.
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Re: Dana: “I’m no Josh Koscheck fan,”
Triggerman99 wrote:That's sort of what he said, but he did clarify afterward: Dana White wrote:But the thing with Jake Shields happened because someone wasn’t in control of the cage and let Mayhem in where he didn’t belong. That caused everything else.”
He's more blaming SF for not having control.
Because the UFC has never had a fighter come in the cage after a title fight and steel the champs moment before... Dana is deflecting the heat off Diaz and Sheilds because he has a vested intrest in them so he is looking for somehwere else to point the blame.
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Re: Dana: “I’m no Josh Koscheck fan,”
I wonder if Dana would kick out someone like Brock or Rampage/Rashad if they did that after the bell? They'd seem somewhat prone to something like that.

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Re: Dana: “I’m no Josh Koscheck fan,”
I like Koscheck. He seems to just love being the bad guy, which he was just unable to shake after season II of TUF. You had to love what he said after the fight about how Pitt is going to kick the Canandiens' ass........ and then I'm going to beat GSP, so you guys will lose twice.
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Re: Dana: “I’m no Josh Koscheck fan,”
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Re: Dana: “I’m no Josh Koscheck fan,”
pitbull wrote:I wonder if Dana would kick out someone like Brock or Rampage/Rashad if they did that after the bell? They'd seem somewhat prone to something like that.
Im sure Dana would, but none of those guys would do that. If it was gonna happen with any of the 3 you named, it would have already happened. Brock, with Mir 2 and Rashad/Rampage on the show. Since it didn't happen, I don't see how they seem prone to it. Prone to talkin shit, yea maybe. But so is KOS and he didn't throw that punch.
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Re: Dana: “I’m no Josh Koscheck fan,”
Grey Suit wrote:Triggerman99 wrote:That's sort of what he said, but he did clarify afterward: Dana White wrote:But the thing with Jake Shields happened because someone wasn’t in control of the cage and let Mayhem in where he didn’t belong. That caused everything else.”
He's more blaming SF for not having control.
Because the UFC has never had a fighter come in the cage after a title fight and steel the champs moment before... Dana is deflecting the heat off Diaz and Sheilds because he has a vested intrest in them so he is looking for somehwere else to point the blame.
Come on man, you know better than that. Dana has already clarified the difference; The UFC maintains control over who goes into the cage and who doesn't. Strikeforce quite obviously does not do the same, at least not in this case.
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Re: Dana: “I’m no Josh Koscheck fan,”
The UFC has a better handle on things, that's for sure. But is GSP coming into the cage right after Matt Hughes avenged his loss (and came back from almost losing the second time) to BJ Penn and saying "I was not impressed by your performance" really any different than Mayhem coming in and saying "How about that rematch" to Shields? I think GSP, Hughes and the like are just better class acts compared to those involved in the whole SF debacle. You can say what you want and feel disrespected, but most of them know better than to ever, ever swing a punch or push somebody in the manner that they did. Mayhem shouldn't have been in the cage, but the WAY the situation was handled by the other guys could be considered worse.
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Re: Dana: “I’m no Josh Koscheck fan,”
Triggerman99 wrote:Grey Suit wrote:Triggerman99 wrote:That's sort of what he said, but he did clarify afterward:
He's more blaming SF for not having control.
Because the UFC has never had a fighter come in the cage after a title fight and steel the champs moment before... Dana is deflecting the heat off Diaz and Sheilds because he has a vested intrest in them so he is looking for somehwere else to point the blame.
Come on man, you know better than that. Dana has already clarified the difference; The UFC maintains control over who goes into the cage and who doesn't. Strikeforce quite obviously does not do the same, at least not in this case.
Like they did with Daley? Orginizations can't control what their fighters do in the ring.
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Re: Dana: “I’m no Josh Koscheck fan,”
I know DW has said that they, the UFC, control who goes into the Cage but I really thought it was down to the commission - I thought it was commission people (the guys sometimes wearing Yellow blazers) you see ferrying people in and out of the cage.
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Re: Dana: “I’m no Josh Koscheck fan,”
One of the major differences between the UFC and SF in this case is that the UFC makes fighters wait until all of the interview formalities are over with. Someone mentioned GSP and Hughes. In that particular case, GSP was not allowed to speak until Hughes was finished with his post-fight interview. GSP then was allowed to say his piece. In the SF situation, Mayhem just came barreling in while Shields was right in the middle of his interview, physically bumped into him mid-sentence, then leaned into the same mic that Shields was speaking into to say his own piece. I know hindsight is 20/20, but I bet if SF employed the same guidelines as the UFC did in the GSP/Hughes situation, things would have turned out a lot differently. You can say Hughes and GSP are classier guys and you would be right, but the situations were much different, and if they were reversed with the guidelines inverted, who knows what would have happened at each respective event. Guys, let's be honest; you're kidding yourselves if you are trying to compare those 2 situations apples to apples. There was obviously a problem with the level of control at the SF event, and there was not a problem with control at the UFC event. Dana was spot on with that asessment.
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Re: Dana: “I’m no Josh Koscheck fan,”
drifter wrote:pitbull wrote:I wonder if Dana would kick out someone like Brock or Rampage/Rashad if they did that after the bell? They'd seem somewhat prone to something like that.
Im sure Dana would, but none of those guys would do that. If it was gonna happen with any of the 3 you named, it would have already happened. Brock, with Mir 2 and Rashad/Rampage on the show. Since it didn't happen, I don't see how they seem prone to it. Prone to talkin shit, yea maybe. But so is KOS and he didn't throw that punch.
Well Rampage and Rashad still have the pre-fight hype and the fight in a month, so sure something like that could happen. Shit happens, and it'd be interesting to see how Dana would react to a similar situation with one of his hot-headed top fighters.
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Re: Dana: “I’m no Josh Koscheck fan,”
Triggerman99 wrote:One of the major differences between the UFC and SF in this case is that the UFC makes fighters wait until all of the interview formalities are over with. Someone mentioned GSP and Hughes. In that particular case, GSP was not allowed to speak until Hughes was finished with his post-fight interview. GSP then was allowed to say his piece. In the SF situation, Mayhem just came barreling in while Shields was right in the middle of his interview, physically bumped into him mid-sentence, then leaned into the same mic that Shields was speaking into to say his own piece.
I was actually about to mention the same thing. The difference with the gsp "i was not impressed by your performance thing" is that he waited for the Hughes interview to be over and then Rogan actually went to him for his turn to say something. Mayhem grabbing the mic in the middle of the interview is much more aggressive. Dont get me wrong, I aint blaming Mayhem for it, but there is a difference.
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Re: Dana: “I’m no Josh Koscheck fan,”
FistK wrote:Triggerman99 wrote:One of the major differences between the UFC and SF in this case is that the UFC makes fighters wait until all of the interview formalities are over with. Someone mentioned GSP and Hughes. In that particular case, GSP was not allowed to speak until Hughes was finished with his post-fight interview. GSP then was allowed to say his piece. In the SF situation, Mayhem just came barreling in while Shields was right in the middle of his interview, physically bumped into him mid-sentence, then leaned into the same mic that Shields was speaking into to say his own piece.
I was actually about to mention the same thing. The difference with the gsp "i was not impressed by your performance thing" is that he waited for the Hughes interview to be over and then Rogan actually went to him for his turn to say something. Mayhem grabbing the mic in the middle of the interview is much more aggressive. Dont get me wrong, I aint blaming Mayhem for it, but there is a difference.
Right once but once again is it SF fault that the Diaz brothers jumped him afterwards, regardless of if they let him in the cage or not?
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Re: Dana: “I’m no Josh Koscheck fan,”
Grey Suit wrote:FistK wrote:Triggerman99 wrote:One of the major differences between the UFC and SF in this case is that the UFC makes fighters wait until all of the interview formalities are over with. Someone mentioned GSP and Hughes. In that particular case, GSP was not allowed to speak until Hughes was finished with his post-fight interview. GSP then was allowed to say his piece. In the SF situation, Mayhem just came barreling in while Shields was right in the middle of his interview, physically bumped into him mid-sentence, then leaned into the same mic that Shields was speaking into to say his own piece.
I was actually about to mention the same thing. The difference with the gsp "i was not impressed by your performance thing" is that he waited for the Hughes interview to be over and then Rogan actually went to him for his turn to say something. Mayhem grabbing the mic in the middle of the interview is much more aggressive. Dont get me wrong, I aint blaming Mayhem for it, but there is a difference.
Right once but once again is it SF fault that the Diaz brothers jumped him afterwards, regardless of if they let him in the cage or not?
I'm more old school here in my manager ratings so I will say yes it is Strikeforces fault because they are the employer of Nick Diaz and they allowed Nate Diaz to be in the ring. Now, it's human nature so you cannot control that, but it's still on your lap. You break you leg at your work even though it might not have been your employers fault they are still responsible for peolpe while at there facilities who are their employees. I hold this no differently than Strikeforce employing fighters. They are guilty too. I don't care if Mayhem snuck in there. What he did was wrong, yes, but what escalated after that was even worse. He had no intent of punching anyone. Strikeforce is responsible for letting people into the ring. They are also responsible for who they allow in the ring or corner of a fighter. You must think of all the reprocussions. Rules are in place to avoid these types of issues. If you cannot control your fighters, well, than you're obviously doing something wrong.
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Re: Dana: “I’m no Josh Koscheck fan,”
Nick wrote:Grey Suit wrote:FistK wrote:I was actually about to mention the same thing. The difference with the gsp "i was not impressed by your performance thing" is that he waited for the Hughes interview to be over and then Rogan actually went to him for his turn to say something. Mayhem grabbing the mic in the middle of the interview is much more aggressive. Dont get me wrong, I aint blaming Mayhem for it, but there is a difference.
Right once but once again is it SF fault that the Diaz brothers jumped him afterwards, regardless of if they let him in the cage or not?
I'm more old school here in my manager ratings so I will say yes it is Strikeforces fault because they are the employer of Nick Diaz and they allowed Nate Diaz to be in the ring. Now, it's human nature so you cannot control that, but it's still on your lap. You break you leg at your work even though it might not have been your employers fault they are still responsible for peolpe while at there facilities who are their employees. I hold this no differently than Strikeforce employing fighters. They are guilty too. I don't care if Mayhem snuck in there. What he did was wrong, yes, but what escalated after that was even worse. He had no intent of punching anyone. Strikeforce is responsible for letting people into the ring. They are also responsible for who they allow in the ring or corner of a fighter. You must think of all the reprocussions. Rules are in place to avoid these types of issues. If you cannot control your fighters, well, than you're obviously doing something wrong.
So the UFC is no better then with the Daley incident? Why is Daley taking all the heat then? Come on now Nick your really shifting blame off the Diaz brothers and onto SF? If I cold cock one of my Coworkers is it my companies fault? Or am I just a dick?
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