Topic: Wanderlei Silva & Tito Ortiz Rematch

So who would win? In my opinion if they did a rematch Tito would get steam rolled. Wanderlei is a far superior fighter now and from every fight I have seen him in, in Pride, he has dominated his fights.

I would love to see a rematch of these two under Pride rules. My money says it ends in the first round. As much as I love and respect Tito as a fighter I think Wanderlei will clean up house. Mind you if tito can pull off the win I would be happy to eat my words smile

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I think Wanderlei would tear through tito ortiz. No offense to Tito but i just dont think he has the same game that Wanderlei does now. Lets get a rematch and see!!

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Silva is one mean mother..... Tito would get beat down.

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yeah in their original fight I dont think Wanderlei had a full grasp yet.  I would love to see a rematch to see how it goes.

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I think Tito would win.  I have no idea why, but I think Tito has some real skill, but it would be one hell of a fight.

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Wanderlei is getting better every day and he's dominant right now.  If they both were to get into a UFC cage or a PRIDE ring again, I think Silva will start hurting Tito like hes never been hurt before.

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Wanderlei is free of his pride contract now i believe so he could come and fight Tito Ortiz again. Doesnt Chuck Liddell want a piece of Wanderlei though?

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Wow, Chuck might hurt Wanderlei. I'd say have Silva fight Tito first and then the winner goes on to Liddell.  (Tito's win over Forrest doesnt really signify his title shot in my eyes, if he dominates another big name then he has it in my perspective.)

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Titos fight with Forrest was pathetic. even Chuck Liddell said it was a sad fight.

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Chuck shook his head when Tito won.  I saw that he wanted to fight Griffin

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I read an interview about the fight with Chuck where he said that it just proved what a shitty fighter Tito Ortiz is. I am para phrasing of course.

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Here's a dumb question.  I've been watching tons of fights lately, trying to catch up.  I'm still having trouble keeping it all straight.  (blame it on my failing faculties)
Is Forrest the one that choked out Tito then got knocked out when Tito dropped him from the top of the cage?  That was the strangest ending to a fight, that I've ever seen.  Tito winning by getting choked out.

Is that the same fight you guys are talking about?

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No that was Matt Hughes slamming the jijitsu dude from Windsor Ontario whose name always slips from my mind. Matt picked him up and slammed him so damn hard it was easily one of the hardest hits ever in the ufc.

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Right, the guy from Ontario whose name I can't remember either.  The guy hit the floor really hard but it wasn't really a slam, if we are talking about the same fight.  Hughes was choked out then fell.  When he fell, he dropped the jujitsu guy on his shaggy head.

You could hear Hughes asking "what happened' when he first sat up.  He won by recovering faster than the other guy who choked him out.  Hughes was so stunned, he didn't know what was happening at first.

That's pretty good, knocking the other guy out, while out yourself.  It was very confusing.  Had the ref had the chance to see the replay, he would have seen that Hughes was out before he fell.  He didn't slam the opponent, he dropped him because he was out himself.

The ref, naturally,  was so focused on the guy Hughes dropped on his head, that he didn't notice that Hughes was out, as well.  Hughes sitting on the floor dazed, asking "what happened" had me rolling on the floor.

It was a fighter from Canada with shaggy almost dread locks,

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yeah Carlos newton, that was defintely a wierd one to watch.  If you go to ufc.com it is one of the advertising icons for UFC on demand at the top with newton having him in the triangle choke, while hughes picks him up and slams him knocking him unconscience.

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I believe Wanderlei will win if there was a rematch.  Tito didnt look great in the Forrest Griffin match.  Silva on the other hand still looks like he's on top of his game.

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Smoke, a trivial point, given the outcome:  Tito did not pick him up and slam him.  Tito picked him up and walked forward, putting the guy's back on top of the Cage, they stayed in that position until Newton got the choke in, then Tito fell, unconscious himself.  When his legs gave way, Newton was slammed.  But by the fall, not an intentional slam.

I watched it many times, the only true double knock out I've ever seen.  Hughes thought he had lost at first.  That is a rematch I would pay to see.

BTW, thanks for coming up with the name.

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I agree Monkey. I also think Wanderlei Silva would win in a rematch with Tito Ortiz. And yeah it was Carlos Newton that Matt Hughes slammed so hard he knocked him out. God did that look like it hurt.

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TM, Carlos Newton never fought Tito.  You're thinking of Matt Hughes.

And in my eyes, it looked like Matt Hughes actually powerbombed Newton.  I mean, a real life powerbomb that WILL knock you out. big_smile

I don't think anybody would have the ability to pick up somebody if they are in a really strong Triangle.  No matter what if you stand up you're going to lose all blood to your brain; I believe Newton didnt really have it locked in, but he was trying to get it ready when Hughes picked him up and SLAM....Newton's out.

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Cripes, I know it was Hughes, I had Tito on the brain or something.  But I've watched that several times and I could see his head for Newton's legs. smile

Now we see how easy it is for two honest eye witnesses to watch the same thing and see two different thing.

I still think it was a double knock out but I will have to watch it again.  My first perception of it was exactly what you describe but watching the instant replay gave me big doubts, especially when Hughes sat up and said, "What Happenned?"

Either way, it's a W for Hughes.  I would like to see a rematch.

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Whether it was a slam or drop is where our perceptual difference lies.

The triangle was not in when Hughes lifted him and put him on top of the cage.  But there was a bit of strange grappling going on while Hughes held Newton on the top.  To my eyes, Newton did get the choke in, at that point, Hughes' knees buckled and he dropped Newton on his head.

I'm talking on memory so I'll have to see it again.  Now look what you've done. smile

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TM it was 100% a slam. Carlos Newton had the choke locked in really hard and would have knocked Matt Hughes out if he had not picked him out. Before he slams him you can see him throw all his weight into arching his back, backwards, and then throwing all his weight forward.

It was a great idea, but risky. He could have just as easily knocked himself out slamming somebody that hard while he was locked in a triangle choke.

I loved the "oh shit" look on Carlos face as he was about to be slammed tongue

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Yeah, that's what I meant.  If you watched Hughes' body language, he was gearing up for a hard slam. He may have gotten locked in at the last minute which is why he slammed Newton so damn hard (He was choking and would do anything to get out.)  He might not have expected Carlos Newton to be knocked out frm it though.....people arent really known for getting knocked OUT by slams, they are just winded really badly or they might have a slight concussion.  I think Matt was gearing up to jump back on Newton after the slam and the ref stopped it because Carlos was asleep big_smile

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yes, Carlos was definitely hearing the angels or little birdies singing, on the floor of the Octagon.   OK,OK, I'll watch it again.

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i think silvia would win becouse of the fact that tito took so long of and silvia has gotin so much better over the years

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